Witness says Menezes police 'out of control'

An eyewitness who was sitting near Jean Charles de Menezes on a Tube train has told his inquest that undercover police gave no warning before killing him.

Anna Dunwoodie also said that officers were "out of control" and gave off a "sense of panic" before shooting.

She told the inquest that, at the time, she thought the firearms officers pursuing Mr de Menezes were members of a gang.

She said she did not hear officers shout any warning at the electrician.

Her insistence that there was no shouted warning - which contradicts the version of events given earlier in the inquest by the police involved – was subsequently backed up by two other passengers on the train.

"I would like to say that on whether I heard anything from police officers, I am very, very clear. I had absolutely no idea who they were and had they shouted I would have latched on to that," she said.

"There was a break and it was my memory that there were more shots.

"I felt they were a bit out of control, that's what it felt like."

The officers who shot Mr De Menezes 7 times in the head told the inquest earlier that they shouted "armed police" before shooting. One firearms officer said the Brazilian moved towards him with apparent aggressive intent.

But Ms Dunwoodie, as well as other witnesses, who had been reading a book on the train, said she did not recall that happening.

After the shooting she told how she thought "something illegal" had happened and said her first impulse was to call the police to let them know.

Two eyewitnesses who sat near the carriage doors where firearms officers opened fire also said they had no recollection of any warnings from armed police.

"There was not one mention of armed police."

Witnesses say police gave De Menezes no warning

A couple sitting opposite Jean Charles de Menezes did not hear undercover police identify themselves before they shot the Brazilian, his inquest was told yesterday.

Ralph Livock and Rachel Wilson saw armed men board the train at Stockwell Tube station in South London and move towards Mr de Menezes, their weapons raised.

At no time, they said, did they hear anyone shout “armed police”.

This contradicts accounts from some armed officers that they had identified themselves.

The couple were reading when officers in plain clothes boarded the train.

Asked if any had identified themselves, Mr Livock said: “Absolutely not. On television you see people with police caps or jackets. There was nothing like that.

“One of my thoughts was that they were lads having a laugh, because they were in jeans and T-shirts. We had no idea whether they were police, whether they were terrorists, whether they were somebody else. The thing that had me realise it was not lads playing around was when the first shot was fired. The man in front fired into Mr de Menezes’s head.”

Ms Wilson said: “I thought they were messing around and then I thought they were terrorists and it was only when I left the carriage that I realised they were good guys.”

Asked at what point she had realised that, she told Southwark Coroner’s Court: “When I looked down and there was blood on my hands.”

Mr Livock said: “Mr de Menezes didn’t look frightened – he looked like he was waiting for somebody to tell him what was going on.”

Contrary to what the officers told the court, Mr Livock said that he did not see the 27-year-old electrician get up and walk towards the officers. “My recollection is that I didn’t see him doing anything other than sitting,” he said.

As he got off the train he heard more shooting. He saw Mr de Menezes slumped in his seat and there was a lot of blood.

Mr de Menezes was shot seven times in the head at point-blank range by undercover police.